[Loris-dev] CentOS 8 and Loris
Julie Ashworth, HWNI Computing Support
support-cirl at berkeley.edu
Tue Jan 12 16:17:53 EST 2021
Thanks Dave,
There are many groups taking over development of Centos8, so I thinks it's
incorrect to say that it's discontinued. The most active group is Rocky
linux, started by Greg Kurtzer, who also founded the original CentOS
project 15 years ago.
https://rockylinux.org/
I have no personal interest in using php-fpm. I was following the centos7
instructions to install php-fpm, but there was an apache error
expecting mod_php.
I'm happy to install mod_php but that is not documnted in the centos7
instructions.
To be honest, I'm really disappointed in the loris documentation and that
my emails aren't being read carefully.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 12:22 PM Dave MacFarlane <dave.macfarlane at mcin.ca>
wrote:
> Hi Julie,
>
> CentOS is no longer supported (by which I mean the operating system itself
> has been discontinued, not the LORIS support for it.) The MCIN production
> servers currently run on CentOS7 which is why the installation procedure is
> well documented/tested for that system, but given the discontinuation of
> CentOS the plan is to move our production servers off of CentOS entirely.
> It's worth noting that CentOS 8 EOL is 2021, while CentOS 7 EOL is 2024.
> This is the reason why our documentation is tailored to V7.
>
> We don't have much experience running LORIS under php-fpm, which is why
> there's no documentation for that environment. At one point years ago I had
> written a configuration file in order to use it in Travis CI, but since
> then testing/development has moved towards using Docker and the built-in
> PHP web server (I just looked at that configuration file and it's so old it
> refers to php5..). mod_php is currently the only supported/documented PHP
> environment as it's all most of the LORIS developers have experience with
> (though I also regularly develop with the php built in dev server, so I'm
> confident that that works as well.)
>
> The good news is our dependency on apache/mod_php is much weaker than it
> was when I had worked on it years ago, but the bad news is there's no
> written documentation that I'm aware of.
>
> If you're willing to do the work of debugging the environment we can help
> where we can, but if you're trying to get a system up and quickly it's
> likely faster and easier to use something that we have more experience
> with. For reference, I don't think the php_value setting you're trying to
> set should be required anywhere by LORIS. LORIS uses an autoloader for
> class/include resolution and shouldn't depend on the PHP include_path. If
> you're set on php-fpm you can look at docs/config/apache2-fastcgi as a
> starting point, but note that that configuration is from 2014 (which as far
> as I know is the last time anyone tried to use LORIS in that environment.)
>
> P.S. (Forgive me if I'm slow to respond to any emails as I'm on vacation
> until next week..)
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:39 PM Julie Ashworth, HWNI Computing Support <
> support-cirl at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thank you,
>> In the last 4 emails I have simply asked for current linux
>> documentation, not centos8 documentation (preferably that mentions php-fpm
>> configuration). Is that available?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 8:59 AM Samir Das <samirdas99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Julie,
>>>
>>> We'll do our best to help you with this configuration. :) We'll send you
>>> any documentation we have.
>>>
>>> Regarding CentOS, since RedHat has discontinued its support, we are
>>> planning on putting our testing resources elsewhere. We have yet to discuss
>>> CentOS-Stream, which we will do next week. But I wouldn't worry too much...
>>> we'll help as much as we can given that you have already installed it, etc.
>>> If the problems become too tedious, then we can figure out options together.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Samir Das
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 5:52 PM Julie Ashworth, HWNI Computing Support <
>>> support-cirl at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi Shen,
>>>>
>>>> On 12-01-2021 11.40 -0500, Shen Wang wrote:
>>>> > So Loris team will not support Centos. We will only
>>>> support Ubuntu in the future.Â
>>>>
>>>> That's interesting that CentOS will no longer be supported.
>>>>
>>>> Since you previously mentioned that CentOS8 should work, I already
>>>> started the installation, and I'd like to see if it works.
>>>>
>>>> So, please, please...
>>>> will you please send me a link to the most recent instruction for loris
>>>> installation that includes the php_value in /etc/php-fpm.d?
>>>> As I said, I can modify ubuntu instructions. I don't need instructions
>>>> specific to CentOS.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12-01-2021 11.40 -0500, Shen Wang wrote:
>>>> > Hi Julie,
>>>> > We are holding the Loris meeting to discuss whether to support
>>>> centos in
>>>> > the future.Â
>>>> > Loris's sub-modules have issues with the Centos system. So Loris
>>>> team will
>>>> > not support Centos.
>>>> > We will only support Ubuntu in the future.Â
>>>> > BestÂ
>>>> > Shen
>>>> > On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 11:27, Julie Ashworth, HWNI Computing
>>>> Support
>>>> > <[1]support-cirl at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > hi Shen,
>>>> > I'm looking for documentation of the (useful!) instruction you
>>>> provided
>>>> > in your previous email:
>>>> >
>>>> > >  step 2 : add "php_value[include_path] =
>>>> > >  ....." into /etc/php-fpm.d/loris.conf
>>>> >
>>>> > I would appreciate a link to that documentation, because I think
>>>> it
>>>> > would be valuable for the future. I can adapt Ubuntu
>>>> documentation for
>>>> > CentOS.
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks,
>>>> > Julie
>>>> >
>>>> > On 12-01-2021 09.14 -0500, Shen Wang wrote:
>>>> > >Â Â Hi Julie,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Â Â The Loris Team only supports Centos7 currently.
>>>> > >Â Â We don't have Centos8 instructions yet, so you can't find
>>>> it.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Â Â If you and Ioannis would like to install loris 23 on
>>>> centos 8, you
>>>> > can
>>>> > >Â Â try.
>>>> > >Â Â I have installed loris 23 on centos 8, although the
>>>> process is not
>>>> > simple.
>>>> > >Â Â That is why I mentioned Centos 8, not officially
>>>> supported yet.
>>>> > Sorry for
>>>> > >Â Â confusion.
>>>> > >Â Â best
>>>> > >Â Â Shen
>>>> > >  [1]å± å¹•å¿«ç § 2021-01-11 Àş‹å
>>>> ˆ8.04.56.png
>>>> > >Â Â On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 16:27, Julie Ashworth, HWNI
>>>> Computing
>>>> > Support
>>>> > >Â Â <[2][2]support-cirl at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Â Â Â Thanks Shen,
>>>> > >Â Â Â Is this documented anywhere? I checked the Ubuntu
>>>> instructions
>>>> > and the
>>>> > >Â Â Â install.sh file, but I don't see it mentioned.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Â Â Â You also mentioned to Ioannis that Loris should run
>>>> find on
>>>> > CentOS8.
>>>> > >Â Â Â Which version did you recommend for CentOS8?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Â Â Â best,
>>>> > >Â Â Â Julie
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Â Â Â On 11-01-2021 16.04 -0500, Shen Wang wrote:
>>>> > >   >  Hi Julie,
>>>> > >   >  We do not support Loris 23.0.2 to run on
>>>> CentOS 8.
>>>> > >   >  You can install 23.0.2 on Centos 7.
>>>> > >   >  If you want to try to install it on
>>>> Centos8. There is no
>>>> > guarantee
>>>> > >Â Â Â that it
>>>> > >   >  will work on Centos 8.
>>>> > >   >  You can try it.
>>>> > >   >  step 1 : remove the line of php_value from
>>>> loris.conf
>>>> > >   >  step 2 : add "php_value[include_path] =
>>>> > >   >  ....." into /etc/php-fpm.d/loris.conf
>>>> > >   >  step 3: reload php-fpm and httpd.
>>>> > >   >  Good Luck!
>>>> > >   >  BestÂÂ
>>>> > >   >  Shen
>>>> > >   >  On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 15:32, Julie
>>>> Ashworth, HWNI
>>>> > Computing
>>>> > >Â Â Â Support
>>>> > >   >  <[1][3][3]support-cirl at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >   hi Shen,
>>>> > >   >   that *is* how I installed
>>>> apache/php7.4.
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >   Please reread my email.
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >   I'd like to know how y'all recommend
>>>> adding the php
>>>> > path for
>>>> > >Â Â Â loris
>>>> > >   >   libraries using php-fpm.
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >   If I use the apache configuration file
>>>> provided:
>>>> > >   >       php_value
>>>> include_path
>>>> > >   >  ÂÂ
>>>> > >Â Â Â
>>>> >
>>>> .:/usr/share/php:/var/www/loris/project/libraries:/var/www/loris/php/libraries
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >   I get an error:
>>>> > >   >   Invalid command 'php_value', perhaps
>>>> misspelled or
>>>> > defined by a
>>>> > >Â Â Â module
>>>> > >   >   not included in the server
>>>> configuration
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >   ... because this isn't supported with
>>>> php-fpm
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >   best,
>>>> > >   >   Julie
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >   On 11-01-2021 10.08 -0500, Shen Wang
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >   >   >  Hi Julie,
>>>> > >   >   >  I recommend reinstalling
>>>> php 7.4 and apache.
>>>> > >   >   > ÂÂ
>>>> > >Â Â Â [1][2][4][4]
>>>> https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > this
>>>> > >   >   article is
>>>> > >   >   >  helpful.
>>>> > >   >   >  Best
>>>> > >   >   >  Shen
>>>> > >   >   >
>>>> > >   >   > References
>>>> > >   >   >
>>>> > >   >   >  Visible links
>>>> > >   >   >  1.
>>>> > >Â Â Â [3][5][5]
>>>> https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > >   >   ---end quoted text---
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >  --
>>>> > >   >  Shen Wang
>>>> > >   >  [4]Loris Developer
>>>> > >   >  Montreal Neurological InstituteÂÂ
>>>> > >   >  McGill University
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >Â Â Â > References
>>>> > >Â Â Â >
>>>> > >   >  Visible links
>>>> > >   >  1. mailto:[6][6]support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > >   >  2.
>>>> > [7][7]https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > >   >  3.
>>>> > [8][8]https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > >   >  4. [9][9]https://github.com/aces/Loris
>>>> > >Â Â Â ---end quoted text---
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Â Â --
>>>> > >Â Â Shen Wang
>>>> > >  [10]Loris Developer
>>>> > >  Montreal Neurological InstituteÂÂ
>>>> > >Â Â McGill University
>>>> > >
>>>> > > References
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Â Â Visible links
>>>> > >Â Â 2. mailto:[10]support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > >Â Â 3. mailto:[11]support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > >Â Â 4. [12]
>>>> https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > >Â Â 5. [13]
>>>> https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > >Â Â 6. mailto:[14]support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > >Â Â 7. [15]
>>>> https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > >Â Â 8. [16]
>>>> https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > >Â Â 9. [17]https://github.com/aces/Loris
>>>> > >Â Â 10. [18]https://github.com/aces/Loris
>>>> >
>>>> > ---end quoted text---
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Shen Wang
>>>> > [19]Loris Developer
>>>> > Montreal Neurological InstituteÂ
>>>> > McGill University
>>>> >
>>>> > References
>>>> >
>>>> > Visible links
>>>> > 1. mailto:support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > 2. mailto:support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > 3. mailto:support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > 4. https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > 5. https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > 6. mailto:support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > 7. https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > 8. https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > 9. https://github.com/aces/Loris
>>>> > 10. mailto:support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > 11. mailto:support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > 12. https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > 13. https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > 14. mailto:support-cirl at berkeley.edu
>>>> > 15. https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > 16. https://tecadmin.net/install-apache-php-fpm-centos-8/
>>>> > 17. https://github.com/aces/Loris
>>>> > 18. https://github.com/aces/Loris
>>>> > 19. https://github.com/aces/Loris
>>>> ---end quoted text---
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